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> <channel><title>Comments on: How To Become A Spammer (as a programmer) Regardless Of People Following You On Twitter</title> <atom:link href="http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/</link> <description>For the betterment of the software craft...</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:57:06 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2</generator> <item><title>By: Webs Developer &#187; How To Be A Real Elite Programmer And Make Sure Everybody Knows It</title><link>http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-5779</link> <dc:creator>Webs Developer &#187; How To Be A Real Elite Programmer And Make Sure Everybody Knows It</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 16:30:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.skorks.com/?p=1309#comment-5779</guid> <description>[...] How To Become A Spammer (as a programmer) Regardless Of People Following You On Twitter [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] How To Become A Spammer (as a programmer) Regardless Of People Following You On Twitter [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: liet</title><link>http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3714</link> <dc:creator>liet</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:13:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.skorks.com/?p=1309#comment-3714</guid> <description>I&#039;m curious about @Yogendra&#039;s numbers after he offered a sale. Did it work? :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious about @Yogendra&#8217;s numbers after he offered a sale. Did it work? :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Giles Bowkett</title><link>http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3520</link> <dc:creator>Giles Bowkett</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:32:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.skorks.com/?p=1309#comment-3520</guid> <description>&lt;i&gt;I am not sure where you found sloppy logic (or any logic) in an opinion piece&lt;/i&gt;
I suppose I should be glad we both agree there&#039;s no logic here, and leave it at that, but to be clear, when I said:
&lt;i&gt;This is very poor logic in my opinion. You’ve got these two ideas: “make something small every day” and “providing value does not matter”. The two ideas are distinct. Only one of them was in Max’s post and you’re criticizing him for advocating the other one.&lt;/i&gt;
The sentences right after &quot;This is very poor logic&quot; are sentences which point out where, in my opinion, your logic went sloppy: in treating two ideas as if they were the same idea, and in attributing to the original blog post (the one by Max Klein) an idea which was not actually in it, and then criticizing it for advocating a point of view which it did not even contain.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am not sure where you found sloppy logic (or any logic) in an opinion piece</i></p><p>I suppose I should be glad we both agree there&#8217;s no logic here, and leave it at that, but to be clear, when I said:</p><p><i>This is very poor logic in my opinion. You’ve got these two ideas: “make something small every day” and “providing value does not matter”. The two ideas are distinct. Only one of them was in Max’s post and you’re criticizing him for advocating the other one.</i></p><p>The sentences right after &#8220;This is very poor logic&#8221; are sentences which point out where, in my opinion, your logic went sloppy: in treating two ideas as if they were the same idea, and in attributing to the original blog post (the one by Max Klein) an idea which was not actually in it, and then criticizing it for advocating a point of view which it did not even contain.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Yogendra</title><link>http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3518</link> <dc:creator>Yogendra</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:24:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.skorks.com/?p=1309#comment-3518</guid> <description>K&amp;R is really good for the students without any doubt, same way &quot;Let Us C&quot;, but here I am not competing with books but competing with coaching institutes.
Books are available in the market but still students learn in Coaching institute. Because students do not want to learn by books it needs higher concentration.
Problems with the coaching institutes:
1. Faculty change after every 15 - 20 days
2. Not available in all cities/town and students need to leave his hometown for coachings.
3. Higher fees
4. No support after course completion.
I am providing solution to all these problems with lower price but still students are not ready to purchase? what&#039;s the reason? I am trying to figuring out.
Thanks for your post and visit to my site.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K&amp;R is really good for the students without any doubt, same way &#8220;Let Us C&#8221;, but here I am not competing with books but competing with coaching institutes.<br
/> Books are available in the market but still students learn in Coaching institute. Because students do not want to learn by books it needs higher concentration.</p><p>Problems with the coaching institutes:<br
/> 1. Faculty change after every 15 &#8211; 20 days<br
/> 2. Not available in all cities/town and students need to leave his hometown for coachings.<br
/> 3. Higher fees<br
/> 4. No support after course completion.</p><p>I am providing solution to all these problems with lower price but still students are not ready to purchase? what&#8217;s the reason? I am trying to figuring out.</p><p>Thanks for your post and visit to my site.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Yogendra</title><link>http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3517</link> <dc:creator>Yogendra</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:16:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.skorks.com/?p=1309#comment-3517</guid> <description>You are right that i have to see the difference by half my products price. I will definetely do it for 7 or 10 days.
But the point here is that a student is ready to pay to a coaching institute twice for the same course. But not ready to purchase my product once, I am providing a complete package to the students until he finish his graduation.
That&#039;s because of indian mentality 1 DVD for 1000/- means costly they don&#039;t see that what is there inside the DVD.
:)
Thanks for your reply and visiting my website.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right that i have to see the difference by half my products price. I will definetely do it for 7 or 10 days.</p><p>But the point here is that a student is ready to pay to a coaching institute twice for the same course. But not ready to purchase my product once, I am providing a complete package to the students until he finish his graduation.</p><p>That&#8217;s because of indian mentality 1 DVD for 1000/- means costly they don&#8217;t see that what is there inside the DVD.<br
/> :)</p><p>Thanks for your reply and visiting my website.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Yogendra</title><link>http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3516</link> <dc:creator>Yogendra</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:11:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.skorks.com/?p=1309#comment-3516</guid> <description>Thanks for your comments  I will try your idea.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments  I will try your idea.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alan Skorkin</title><link>http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3514</link> <dc:creator>Alan Skorkin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:37:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.skorks.com/?p=1309#comment-3514</guid> <description>Infact I said that all developers should hold themselves to the same high standard no matter where you&#039;re from.
What exactly do you mean by &#039;regular people&#039;, programmers ARE regular people it just happens that to be in our profession you would mostly likely fit into the top half of the population on the intelligence spectrum.  How is that elitist?
Most informational products are total garbage, I&#039;ve read hundreds, I could put in the links to sales pages or forum threads if that would help you feel like I&#039;ve done some research. Mind you not all info products are like this but 99.99% certainly are. There are  many info products that tell you how to make other info products, without needed any knowledge, skill, or time I fail to see how you can follow them and produce anything other than garbage.
I am happy that you got your cholesterol down and it is unfortunate you took my post as a personal criticism. If your book was so life changing you could have given the info away for free rather than selling it, considering how many people can&#039;t afford even a small price and seeing it is a matter of life and death. I&#039;ve been into fitness and nutrition for over 10 years I know quite a bit, but I am just a dabbling amateur compared to some people I know on the web and in real life. These guys are happy to share their knowledge for FREE (and many do on the web). Just food for thought.
I am not sure where you found sloppy logic (or any logic) in an opinion piece, and your reference to nationalism is even more baffling. &#039;Now way&#039; to what precisely, there is no call-to-action at the end of the post.  But you are of course welcome to your opinion.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Infact I said that all developers should hold themselves to the same high standard no matter where you&#8217;re from.</p><p>What exactly do you mean by &#8216;regular people&#8217;, programmers ARE regular people it just happens that to be in our profession you would mostly likely fit into the top half of the population on the intelligence spectrum.  How is that elitist?</p><p>Most informational products are total garbage, I&#8217;ve read hundreds, I could put in the links to sales pages or forum threads if that would help you feel like I&#8217;ve done some research. Mind you not all info products are like this but 99.99% certainly are. There are  many info products that tell you how to make other info products, without needed any knowledge, skill, or time I fail to see how you can follow them and produce anything other than garbage.</p><p>I am happy that you got your cholesterol down and it is unfortunate you took my post as a personal criticism. If your book was so life changing you could have given the info away for free rather than selling it, considering how many people can&#8217;t afford even a small price and seeing it is a matter of life and death. I&#8217;ve been into fitness and nutrition for over 10 years I know quite a bit, but I am just a dabbling amateur compared to some people I know on the web and in real life. These guys are happy to share their knowledge for FREE (and many do on the web). Just food for thought.</p><p>I am not sure where you found sloppy logic (or any logic) in an opinion piece, and your reference to nationalism is even more baffling. &#8216;Now way&#8217; to what precisely, there is no call-to-action at the end of the post.  But you are of course welcome to your opinion.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Giles Bowkett</title><link>http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3509</link> <dc:creator>Giles Bowkett</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:46:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.skorks.com/?p=1309#comment-3509</guid> <description>This is very poor logic in my opinion. You&#039;ve got these two ideas: &quot;make something small every day&quot; and &quot;providing value does not matter&quot;. The two ideas are distinct. Only one of them was in Max&#039;s post and you&#039;re criticizing him for advocating the other one.
Somewhere in your head, they merged into one. I assume it happened in your head because I never saw it happen in Max&#039;s post and I didn&#039;t see it happen in your post either. There might even be some valid connection, but I have no way of knowing from reading your post.
Then you go off on these horrible elitist tangents about how programmers are better than regular people and how Western Europeans and Americans should hold themselves to higher standards than Eastern Europeans and Asians. You don&#039;t substantiate the tangents any more than you did the main idea, plus they offend me.
Your presumption about the allegedly valueless nature of information products is incorrect. I made a tiny bit of money marketing a book on how to lose weight. This book brought my cholesterol down by 100 points in 2 months. It took my father and my uncle ten years to do that, using statin medications as prescribed by their traditional doctors. If I had waited 10 years to get my cholesterol down, I would have probably died. This book saved my life. A woman I showed this book to told me the other day that I changed her life. She looks at me like a prophet. And I&#039;m supposed to take criticism from you for selling that book? When you provide nothing to substantiate your primary idea, except sloppy logic, nationalism, elitism, and a negative attitude which clearly derives from not doing one bit of research?
The answer is NO WAY.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very poor logic in my opinion. You&#8217;ve got these two ideas: &#8220;make something small every day&#8221; and &#8220;providing value does not matter&#8221;. The two ideas are distinct. Only one of them was in Max&#8217;s post and you&#8217;re criticizing him for advocating the other one.</p><p>Somewhere in your head, they merged into one. I assume it happened in your head because I never saw it happen in Max&#8217;s post and I didn&#8217;t see it happen in your post either. There might even be some valid connection, but I have no way of knowing from reading your post.</p><p>Then you go off on these horrible elitist tangents about how programmers are better than regular people and how Western Europeans and Americans should hold themselves to higher standards than Eastern Europeans and Asians. You don&#8217;t substantiate the tangents any more than you did the main idea, plus they offend me.</p><p>Your presumption about the allegedly valueless nature of information products is incorrect. I made a tiny bit of money marketing a book on how to lose weight. This book brought my cholesterol down by 100 points in 2 months. It took my father and my uncle ten years to do that, using statin medications as prescribed by their traditional doctors. If I had waited 10 years to get my cholesterol down, I would have probably died. This book saved my life. A woman I showed this book to told me the other day that I changed her life. She looks at me like a prophet. And I&#8217;m supposed to take criticism from you for selling that book? When you provide nothing to substantiate your primary idea, except sloppy logic, nationalism, elitism, and a negative attitude which clearly derives from not doing one bit of research?</p><p>The answer is NO WAY.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeethu Rao</title><link>http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3507</link> <dc:creator>Jeethu Rao</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:12:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.skorks.com/?p=1309#comment-3507</guid> <description>@yogendra: Fellow Indian here. Honestly, I can&#039;t think why anyone would pay Rs 1000 for your video tutes when you can get a copy of K&amp;R for Rs 150. But then, I don&#039;t belong to your target demographic.
You&#039;re targeting people with little or no programming experience, who hardly have an idea about what programming is. They&#039;d rather pay some lame coaching institute a much higher sum because they&#039;d prefer someone hand holding them through it all. Otherwise they&#039;d just buy a bunch of books and learn by themselves.
Like Alan suggested, you should run a pilot experiment where you give away a few copies of your product in return for taking a survey and giving you some feedback. That&#039;ll give you some ground to base your pricing decisions on, instead of arbitrarily pricing your product.
Finally, given the narrow niche you&#039;re targeting, I don&#039;t think spamming would be of any use in your case.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@yogendra: Fellow Indian here. Honestly, I can&#8217;t think why anyone would pay Rs 1000 for your video tutes when you can get a copy of K&amp;R for Rs 150. But then, I don&#8217;t belong to your target demographic.</p><p>You&#8217;re targeting people with little or no programming experience, who hardly have an idea about what programming is. They&#8217;d rather pay some lame coaching institute a much higher sum because they&#8217;d prefer someone hand holding them through it all. Otherwise they&#8217;d just buy a bunch of books and learn by themselves.</p><p>Like Alan suggested, you should run a pilot experiment where you give away a few copies of your product in return for taking a survey and giving you some feedback. That&#8217;ll give you some ground to base your pricing decisions on, instead of arbitrarily pricing your product.</p><p>Finally, given the narrow niche you&#8217;re targeting, I don&#8217;t think spamming would be of any use in your case.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rick_2047</title><link>http://www.skorks.com/2010/02/how-to-become-a-spammer-as-a-programmer-regardless-of-people-following-you-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3503</link> <dc:creator>rick_2047</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:52:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.skorks.com/?p=1309#comment-3503</guid> <description>@Yogendra
I am no &#039;guru&#039; but I can easily see the flaw in your app price. You see when they pay a thousand or a couple of thousands to a person they are paying a real...&quot;physical&quot; person. They expect to see him everyday and learn from him by interaction and not by just watching. Well you and I know that they will not get any of those things from that &quot;physical person&quot; but not every average indian student can learn from watching videos (if they could there are plenty of free options, but they are in english).
In my personal opinion you should have a &quot;sale&quot;. For a week drop your prices by half. I know you may think that thats ridiculous, but something is better than nothing.
(All this may seem counter intuitive to most of the &quot;first&quot; world country users, but that is how the indian mentality goes).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yogendra</p><p>I am no &#8216;guru&#8217; but I can easily see the flaw in your app price. You see when they pay a thousand or a couple of thousands to a person they are paying a real&#8230;&#8221;physical&#8221; person. They expect to see him everyday and learn from him by interaction and not by just watching. Well you and I know that they will not get any of those things from that &#8220;physical person&#8221; but not every average indian student can learn from watching videos (if they could there are plenty of free options, but they are in english).</p><p>In my personal opinion you should have a &#8220;sale&#8221;. For a week drop your prices by half. I know you may think that thats ridiculous, but something is better than nothing.</p><p>(All this may seem counter intuitive to most of the &#8220;first&#8221; world country users, but that is how the indian mentality goes).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
