Comments on: Before There Was Lean, Agile Or Waterfall There Was Theory X, Y And Z

By: Lean Six Sigma Kaizen. Produzione snella e quality manufacturing.

Lean Six Sigma Kaizen. Produzione snella e quality manufacturing. — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:15:00 +0000

Prima che ci fossero Lean, Agile o Waterfall c’era la teoria X, Y e Z…

Quando si parla di magra o Agile o addirittura a cascata si parla di processi di sviluppo del software, ma lo sviluppo del software è un settore relativamente giovane quindi siamo stati in grado di strada-rotaia, sul lavoro fatto in altri settor…

By: Alan Skorkin

Alan Skorkin — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:58:01 +0000

Your post is a great post as well, I am still planning to go into more detail about Deming’s work and my thoughts on it, so your post is very pertinent :).

By: Alan Skorkin

Alan Skorkin — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:20:32 +0000

I am still planning to go into more detail regarding Deming and his influences and how this is/can be applicable to software. I will definitely also have a look at Drucker/Porter how that you mention it, thanks.

By: Alan Skorkin

Alan Skorkin — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:18:30 +0000

And yet they also say that there are still more subtle manifestations of the Hawthorne effect in the data.

Regardless from personal experience I have found that the important findings (the ones that related to people and how to treat them etc.) of the Hawthorne experiments are definitely true.

By: Before There Was Lean, Agile Or Waterfall There Was Theory X, Y And Z [ SKORKS ]

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By: Justin Hunter

Justin Hunter — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:06:46 +0000

Alan,

Very good post. I found it particularly interesting since I just wrote a similar blog post myself, mentioning Deming, Lean, Agile, etc.

It’s interesting how two people can address the same general theme in different ways. My blog post also examined a key element of the pre-cursers to Lean but highlighted different aspects of what is “being left out of the discussion” today that remain relevant to Software Design and Software Testing.

Please see: What Else Can Software Development and Testing Learn from Manufacturing?

http://hexawise.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/what-else-can-software-development-and-testing-learn-from-manufacturing-dont-forget-design-of-experiments/

Thanks.

Justin Hunter
Founder of Hexawise http://www.hexawise.com

- Justin

By: Isaac Gouy

Isaac Gouy — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:15:11 +0000

> Hawthorne Effect

“Was there Really a Hawthorne Effect at the Hawthorne Plant?”
http://www.nber.org/papers/w15016.pdf

“We find that existing descriptions of supposedly remarkable data patterns prove to be entirely fictional. “

By: John "Z-Bo" Zabroski

John "Z-Bo" Zabroski — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:09:05 +0000

You forgot Dr. W. Edwards Deming vs. Peter Drucker/Michael Porter. Porter’s value-chain stuff has obviously influenced “software product line” thinking (in a negative fashion, I might add).