Comments on: The Current State Of The Agile Nation – Agile Process Adoption http://www.skorks.com/2009/03/the-current-state-of-the-agile-nation-agile-process-adoption/ For the betterment of the software craft... Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:57:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Alan Skorkinhttp://www.skorks.com/2009/03/the-current-state-of-the-agile-nation-agile-process-adoption/comment-page-1/#comment-1677 Alan Skorkin Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:07:53 +0000 http://www.skorks.com/?p=763#comment-1677 Exactly right about scrum and XP, it would be hard to sell scrum as a process at all without the XP practices. And yet Scrum and XP are considered distinct processes in the marketplace, go figure. This is why i say that many agile processes just try to wrap a framework around XP. A bundled the waterfall "agile-like" people into the clueless category :). Exactly right about scrum and XP, it would be hard to sell scrum as a process at all without the XP practices. And yet Scrum and XP are considered distinct processes in the marketplace, go figure. This is why i say that many agile processes just try to wrap a framework around XP.

A bundled the waterfall “agile-like” people into the clueless category :).

]]> By: Kornyhttp://www.skorks.com/2009/03/the-current-state-of-the-agile-nation-agile-process-adoption/comment-page-1/#comment-1676 Korny Tue, 03 Mar 2009 06:54:36 +0000 http://www.skorks.com/?p=763#comment-1676 Not quite sure why you list "scrum" and "xp" as two different categories - most people we work with do something that is basically a mix of scrum at the macro level (though based on what I learned in my scrum course, with some of the silly extremism damped down a bit) and xp at the micro level. It'd be more interesting to supply (or make up!) one category for "just scrum", one for "just xp", and one for "scrum+xp" - I think it'd be bigger than the other two! And I suspect you missed a big category: people doing waterfall/RUP/whatever with agile practices, and calling it "Agile" or "Agile-like" or "just the good bits of agile" ... and blaming the agile practices when it doesn't work! Not quite sure why you list “scrum” and “xp” as two different categories – most people we work with do something that is basically a mix of scrum at the macro level (though based on what I learned in my scrum course, with some of the silly extremism damped down a bit) and xp at the micro level. It’d be more interesting to supply (or make up!) one category for “just scrum”, one for “just xp”, and one for “scrum+xp” – I think it’d be bigger than the other two!

And I suspect you missed a big category: people doing waterfall/RUP/whatever with agile practices, and calling it “Agile” or “Agile-like” or “just the good bits of agile” …
and blaming the agile practices when it doesn’t work!

]]> By: Service Geist » Blog Archive » The Zen of Scrum - und mehrhttp://www.skorks.com/2009/03/the-current-state-of-the-agile-nation-agile-process-adoption/comment-page-1/#comment-1674 Service Geist » Blog Archive » The Zen of Scrum - und mehr Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:04:40 +0000 http://www.skorks.com/?p=763#comment-1674 [...] Skorkin wirft hingegen einen - subjektiven - Blick auf den aktuellen Stand der Dinge was Agile Methoden angeht … und auch darüber [...] [...] Skorkin wirft hingegen einen – subjektiven – Blick auf den aktuellen Stand der Dinge was Agile Methoden angeht … und auch darüber [...]

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